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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Mar 14, 2007 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Garcia or Hunter?

amidst all the fun & madness & insanity, would you believe i have actually found some time to deepen my listening of Robert Hunter in concert, and his shows can be very enjoyable to listen to; in fact there are several excellent seeds currently running over at etree if you so desire to acquire; anyway, i was just curious, are there any Hunter songs that Hunter sings which you prefer over Jerry's versions, or for that matter, another member of the Dead.

While i very much enjoy Garcia doing Friend of the Devil, there is just something special about Hunter's versions, and if you haven't heard his album version, i think off Jack O' Roses, then you are missing something special and i urge you to check it out.

Also, i realize it's a Phil sung song, but Hunter performs really beautiful versions of Box of Rain, and the version i am listening to right now, from Toad's Place, 11/12/80 will make you smile at how good it is.

I'll take the Jer/Bob versions of China > Rider though, even if Hunter's versions are well enough; i think it comes down to the playing for these two songs; i mean, who doesn't love those jams that the GD come up with!

I don't believe Jer ever sang it, but check out Hunter's version of Touch of Darkness ... just sublime.

Black Peter ... both Jer and Robert covered this one; any preferences?

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=505017

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=504898

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=504840

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=504772

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=504754

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=504742

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=500043

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Poster: cush11 Date: Mar 14, 2007 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?


;)

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 15, 2007 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

No preference, necessarily. We all love how Jerry brought Robert's words to life. He very well may be the most underrated composer in all of modern music.

But Hunter's Terrapin is amazing. And at the end of Rubin & Cherise, there is the verse about "the burial ground" that is not included in Garcia's Cats Under the Stars version (or the few Grateful Dead performances of the song, for that matter), and Rubin carries "the ghost of Cherise" in his arms. Chilling.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Mar 15, 2007 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

thanks Bryan

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 15, 2007 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

You're more than welcome.

And the very moment I sent an email to you, your reply arrives in my mailbox.

oooooooh!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 14, 2007 8:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

Hey guy...did that package arrive yet? You know how I worry...

And, let me echo your take on Box; I do think that it works so well with Hunter doing it. If it weren't for Ashes, I never would have known.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Mar 14, 2007 8:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

mr. tell ... just arrived today, i was surprised, ha, ha, everyone in my building always gets all the packages and today it was me! you're too generous my friend, and i'm going to have to put them to good use of course, particularly with you in mind! seriously, very generous of you, will be in touch tomorrow ... A.

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Poster: bigbossdan Date: Mar 14, 2007 7:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

I'll admit to having listened to very little of Hunter's work, but I have a hard time getting past his voice, which to my ear isn't terribly musical. I have an old version of Promintory Rider somewhere and there are a few Hunter-performed tunes on a release of the Garcia Band from Kean College in NJ from 2/28/80 (a HUGE 3CD release with an unbelievable 2nd disc jam out of After Midnight>eleanor rigby>after midnight)

What I know hasn't caused me to seek more. Perhaps I'll check out some of these recommendations, though.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Mar 15, 2007 6:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

Same here. Maybe it's an aquired taste, as Chirs posted below, but the voice just doesn't do it for me. The guy is a master at turning a phrase, but when it comes to listening to him sing 2-3 numbers is about all my ears can handle.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 14, 2007 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

Yes...but, the heartfelt nature of his style works on some of the tunes. His version of Box of Rain is quite good. The voice doesn't make much difference (consider Phil, of course). Still, that is no doubt why he never went further...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Mar 14, 2007 8:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

biggboss, thanks for refreshing my memory, i think it was that Feb. '80 tour where Hunter joined Jer on stage, and it was several weeks ago that someone pointed out how great the Promontory Rider was, either from the show you mention, or maybe the next night ... damn, going to have to dig around and see if i have a copy of either, sure i do though; also, i'll admit that Hunter's voice doesn't strike my ear as sweetly as Jerry's, if at all, but on some performances he comes across as, well, Hunter, and on those songs i just have to give a nod; cheers!

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Mar 14, 2007 8:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

It is an acqiured taste like Dylan

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Poster: mickmac Date: Mar 14, 2007 8:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

I've been partial to Must Of Been the Roses off of the Rum Runners album.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Mar 14, 2007 7:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

We were talking about acoustic dead a few nights ago and it just occured to me that it would have been great if Hunter had sat in on one of the Dead's many acoustic shows over the years.

After seeing Hunter live there is no way his style would work with the Electric show but I would have loved to have seen Hunter lead the Dead in "Does God look down on the boys in the bar room" or any of his standards that he plays.

Thanks for the links!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Mar 14, 2007 7:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

yeah, that is too bad that Hunter never sat in on some of the GD acoustic sets, though he did sit in w/JGB a time or two if i recall correctly; also, Hunter does a real nice version of Brown Eyed Woman!

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Mar 14, 2007 7:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

I will have to look into Jerry & Hunter.

I like the way Hunter tells a story.
"The barefoot girls play ringa-lee-vio"

When Hunter plays Friend of the Devil he sings, "A friend of the Devil is no friend of mine"

Hunter & Garcia both really benefited from working together.
I am pretty sure Hunter's stuff would never had sold commercially and also Jerry needed someone to write lyrics to the music that was in his soul. (Cream Puff Wars was not going to cut it)

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Mar 14, 2007 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

"When Hunter plays Friend of the Devil he sings, "A friend of the Devil is no friend of mine""

hmm, must listen closer next time (admittedly, i'm not much of lyrics person)

"Cream Puff Wars was not going to cut it"

one of my favourite '60s era Dead!

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Mar 14, 2007 8:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

yeah,
I love the song too, it could be the theme song for the month of March round here at the forum but if you look at the lyrics to that song they are pretty one dimensional compared to the way Hunter writes. I just think Hunter eased Jerry's load by delivering the 'DARK STAR' just imagine if we had to rely on Weir to write the lyrics for 'Dark Star' . Weir wrote 'Bob Star' and nobodies calling for that one at the Rat Dog shows.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 14, 2007 8:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

Hey Arb, you should check out Hunter with JGB at Calderone Theatre 2/29/80, a dynamite Promontory Rider! Wish the Dead did that one!

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Poster: deadn73 Date: Mar 14, 2007 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

as usual the Huckster is right on, i was gonna mention that show and version of promontory rider, great stuff

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 14, 2007 8:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

Dude, that 6/24/73 Dark Star is real neat, streaming now, thanks!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Mar 14, 2007 8:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

Cliff ... just dug into my archive and i have it!! and yer right, just wonderful version of Promontory Rider; however, i didn't know that 3/28 was a commercial release (don't browse the music shops like i used to), might have to check that puppy out ...

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Poster: JodyC Date: Mar 15, 2007 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcia or Hunter?

The Hunter cds you sent me were the first I had heard, sadly. Very interesting hearing it from him. Thanks again.